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Got asked an interesting question at work today....

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by eagles2win, Feb 1, 2011.

  1. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    One of the guy's I work with only just found out I go for Manly and asked me this....

    What would it have taken to have the Northern Eagles (yeah yeah I know it's not Manly etc) work?

    Basically told him if they got rid of the North Sydney board and it might have stood a better chance of working
     
  2. Canteen Worker

    Canteen Worker Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The merger would have worked if it was Manly only without the backstabbers from Norths who undermined from Day 1.

    In reality it was ill-conceived and did not work.
     
  3. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Like i said in a previous post

    Our merger was like having sex with your cousin

    It may "work" but that doesnt mean you should do it

    A foundation club and a club as proud as ours should never
    willingly join a merger,Wests will always be the only real
    JV because they were close in all ways,similar area,similar
    structures and mindset,also Balmain believed they could also
    use the "Fibro" tag

    With Saints,Illawarra brings the juniors,Saints bring the cash
    which is why they worked

    The Sea eagles felt sorry for the bears and offered them a lifeline
    that the bears bigwigs were to proud to really take properly
     
  4. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    Oh good lord !
     
  5. Cameron

    Cameron Cambo Premium Member

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    if they had of been able to keep their best 25 players from both clubs

    players were shed to ensure clubs like the tigers got stronger

    I was flithy blokes like hoppa,hill, collela, seers and serdaris never got a look in
     
  6. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Northern Phoenix as a name?
    M-WRLC said no
    Buy Bluetongue,bears said they would,never did it
    It was a cluster**** of an idea thrown together to
    benefit the north sydney  bears,we met the criteria
    alone,we did not need to merge,read the history
     
  7. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Replace "board" with Bears in your last para and I think you would be closer to the mark for me personally.

    But personally I thought the Wests Tigers was a joke too and that seems to have worked.

    So assuming the NEs could have actually worked, my recollection is that it was the signing of Brett Kimmorley and the release of Matt Orford which led to even poorer on field performances, which led to Board unrest, which led to Mark Cannon's crazy ideas, which led to Manly wanting to go it alone, which led to Max putting money in, which led to the rebirth of the mighty Manly Warringah Sea Eagles.

    If any one of those things didn't happen we might still be the Northern Eagles.  So next time you see Brett Kimmorley in the street don't forget to thank him.
     
  8. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Into our future i see

    Threadjack incoming

    Kimmorley vs Orford
    This **** is about to get real
     
  9. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    You would know. 

    If des was coach rather than Peter Sharp the merger probably would have succeded.  Sharp got rid of a lot of good players and kept ones whose heart wasn't in it.
     
  10. The Eagle

    The Eagle Well-Known Member

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    You would know. 

    If des was coach rather than Peter Sharp the merger probably would have succeded.  Sharp got rid of a lot of good players and kept ones whose heart wasn't in it.
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    Aww thats low but about the same height as your brow so its fair i guess for someone of your stature
     
  11. Mybludog

    Mybludog Active Member

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    Nothing wrong with having sex with your cousin..........as long as there not the same sex !
     
  12. Utility Player

    Utility Player Well-Known Member

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    I went to high school with Cannon, he was a few years older than me.

    He repeated year 12 to have a better chance of making representitive teams and bullied me into going to the canteen for him once :)
     
  13. eagleE

    eagleE Active Member

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    I went to high school with Cannon, he was a few years older than me.

    He repeated year 12 to have a better chance of making representitive teams and bullied me into going to the canteen for him once :)

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    Did you spit inot his pie?
     
  14. Shoe1

    Shoe1 Well-Known Member

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    It could have worked if the following had happened:
    1. A simple jersey of maroon and black, not the ridiculous maroon white red black atrocity.
    2. Removing gosford from the equation. Playing half the games at brookie and half at north Sydney oval. The gosford connection put many manly fans offside and stopped any hope of consolidating the northside of Sydney behind the team. Norths were pursuing gosford as their hope of avoiding the criteria for Sydney metro teams. It failed as the nrl continued to treat them as a Sydney club anyway.
    3. Promoting the merger as a reunion of 2 clubs that split in 1947. Marketing this as a celebration of northside heritage.
    4. Not appointing sharp as coach.
    5. An acknowledgement from norths that they were broke.
    6. Only having one reserve grade team instead of 2.
    7. A whole new board which could rise above petty party lines. Cannon seemed to be a wrecking ball, but I am sure there would have been an equivalent for manly.
    8. A strategy to consolidate the northside rather than expanding to gosford. I remember Ian Thomson saying there was very little interest from bread and butter minor sponsors on the central coast. Compare this with dozens of brookie panelbeaters, car yards, small businesses which kick in small amounts of money and lots of goodwill in terms of promotion etc.

    It could have worked.
     
  15. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I'm just glad it didn't.  No team, no interest.
     
  16. Guest

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    with the personnel we had . i dont knw how we finished so  low in them NE days , so i would have to say SHARPE was the reason , he is a **** coach..
     
  17. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The only way any merger can work is if its fans are immoral sellouts or easily led simpletons.

    Obviously these people exist as all three mergers had/have their supporters. We were just lucky that Manly & Norths didn't have enough of these people to allow the brand to grow.
     
  18. Ralphie

    Ralphie Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The key here is not to have gone to Gosford.

    I have said it before and I'll say it again, I live in Gosford and an NRL team will not work here.....period.

    95% of the residents of the Central Coast are refugees from Sydney and they bring with them a passionate attachment to a Sydney based team. I employ 18 people here and every Sydney club has a passionate supporter among them. I have asked each and every one, would they switch to a Central Coast team and to a man they said emphatically no.

    I hear you saying it will be the next generation. I, like all sensible men made it my key mission in my sons upbringing to brainwash him to be a Manly fan. I succeeded in that as did all of my mates in similar positions.

    A Central Coast based team is doomed to failure!
     
  19. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Central coast people will support a team in their area very quickly but only if it is sucessful and doesn't have any ties to a current or ex-sydney club. 

    I cannot see CC bears team suceeding.  However a sole CC team will never get the corporate support to survive in the NRL and hence why they will not be granted a licence.

    The next team will be from a second brisbane team, Adelaide or Perth where corporate support is sufficient to support a team.

    Maybe Lowe should approach Mortgage house and get them on board as major sponsor with Manly seeing that CC bears won't get a team on the NRL any time soon.
     
  20. Brookie4eva

    Brookie4eva Well-Known Member

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    Good idea.

    But I see the likely scenario being something like .... Mortgage House = Joel Monaghan, and the Bears Board = the Dog.  :-\

    For Mortgage House to be sponsoring a team that doesn't exist, it's more involved than just pure marketing.
     

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