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Gambling, Alcohol and Tobacco.

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by silvertail, Feb 8, 2013.

  1. silvertail

    silvertail Well-Known Member

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    Firstly, I would would like to thank the moderators of this fanatical site for allowing my previous comment that basically said that the Daily Telegragph reporters can smoke on my big one until our proud club is proven guilty of any gross misdemour. We are clean skins since 1947! Smoke on that!

    .... And an impressive and envious trophy cabinet to boot!

    Gambling sponsorship:

    Is a blight on our game! David Gallop and all other current administrators are responsible for bending over to betting agency sponsors and and allowing this heinous activity to enter our various codes. World wide administrators in different codes have prostituted themselves with idly sitting by and allowing organised crime to filter into the fibre of our codes. Exotic bets! What on earth were the game administrators thinking when they entered into partnership arrangements. The real story here is all about whether CEO's sold their soul to the gambling devil.

    As I prepare my household to watch a Manly away game on the tele, the last thing I want to see when we are all settled on a Fright night is what the betting market thinks. I curse the ads my children see and I think and hope that my kids understand that you should love your code for what it is. Love your code and team and betting is a curse on the game!

    Alcohol sponsorship:

    Many people, mostly men, have forgone sharing their wallet with primary family needs for the sake of a drink at the pub. Alcohol, whist a soft drug enjoyed in controlled moderation, can also be an insidious drug. Codes should have no association whatsoever with a drug that just about creates all domestic violence. I don't want to have a financial partnership with a drug that had anything to do with a parent deciding to have a drink over paying for child rearing needs.

    Cigarette sponsorship:

    State and federal politicians are a pack of hypocrites! Understand, they will gladly accept the tobacco tax dollar and call it a legal product whilst they repackage and increase revenue. If getting revenue from tobacco is good enough for them, should be good enough for all codes. Yes, I am sure that many Manly faithful have lost loves ones to the evil tobacco,. However, I think it's also correct to say that smokers will puff away to their hearts delight without grossly jeopardising the family household budget.

    The real story here is that the games administrators have chosen the wrong of three evils. Cigarette sponsorship should exists as long as it is a legal product. Alcohol sponsorship should continue to be banned from anything to do with sporting codes. The real story here is that gambling should never have been allowed to enter the realm of a love for a sporting code!
     
  2. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    Very true. Many of us on the Forum saw it coming when gambling became entrenched in the game.
     
  3. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

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    Well said.

    The administrators of sport are responsible for setting the landscape.

    Systematic failures - like this one - can be put down to the landscape. It is superficial to focus on individual players or officials or clubs without seeing the bigger issue is the landscape.

    Opening the doors to gambling was always a flawed and myopic decision - and was always going to draw in organised crime. Creating a holier than thou attitude about drugs while at the same time actively promoting the drug which creates the greatest social problems we face today is hypocritical. Having seen cigarettes cruelly take away my mother's sight, health, independence and then life, I'll disagree on this single point silvertail.
     
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  4. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    The sport should be allowed to take money from any legal company. Any legal company should be allowed to advertise.
    Look at the way many forms of motor racing struggled to survive the ban on tobacco sponsorship. When none of them can advertise it's even, and their profits went up because their contribution to society went down.

    Gambling owes it's very existence to sport, of course it should help fund it.

    Remember, sponship is taking money.
     
  5. The Who

    The Who Well-Known Member

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    Why should gambling be legal on legitimate sports? Horse racing, trots and greyhounds were created to gamble on. Isn't that enough?
    Ever since legalised gambling became involved in true sport (ie. cricket, football etc.) it has caused integrity issues.
     
  6. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

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    To say that governments are deliberately targeting revenue from smoking is ridiculous. Part of the population is addicted and they are doing everything possible to help them. They advertise every day on giving up, they changed the packaging laws, they have quit packs and helplines, it is banned from sporting events, public buildings etc. Any taxes collected from smoking will end up in the health budget. I can't agree about it not impacting a family budget either - two packs a day is around $200 a week.

    As for gambling: if it wasn't for betting agencies putting up odds we would have a whole generation of youngsters who wouldn't know math calculations if it smacked them in the head. They are doing the community a service by introducing the importance of maths at a young age. :)
     
  7. tulley

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    I totally agree with tobacco companies being banned from advertising their addictive health wrecking products. The children that grew up in the 60s,70s and 80s were exposed to their advertising campaigns in Rugby League, Cricket and motor sport, as well as everywhere else on TV [which everyone watched in those days]. Its no wonder the majority of adults were addicted to their poisonous products[which they were trying to suggest had not been proved to be detrimental to your health]. Bring on plain packaging, and take these product to China, where the profits will keep these companies afloat until they get shown the door there too.
     
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  8. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    Silvertail: That is one of the best pieces of writing I have ever read. Congratulations that you think this way. Not too long ago you would be roared down as a wowser, fun police, Not Australian etc. Your piece about the worry you have when your children watch the game is so TRUE!!! I have some primary children talking about "winning the odds" watching games! Horrendous at 9 years of age and insular training!

    Packer, Waterhouse etc and Governments have become obscenely rich providing something that has destroyed countless lives. Alcohol is finally showing it's damage to society and nearly every day someone gets killed falling off a balcony, walking onto a road, being beaten and hitting their head etc. Someone's daughter and son. The heartwrenching case of the Cronulla fall of the 21 year old girl.

    You will now cop the 'Waterhouse" never bent your arm back to bet or Packer didn't drag you into his casino is true however let's ask them why they spend millions on physcological training on working out which lights, lighting and bells transform brains to switch off.

    Seeing the clowns up there on the stage looking in disgust and acting high and mighty whilst taking gambling funds is astonishing.

    Well done mate. I support you 100%.
     
  9. ManlyBacker

    ManlyBacker Winging it Staff Member

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    Every day a child gets injured playing sport. It should all be outlawed and they should wear mandatory bubble-wrap. ;)
     
  10. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Why should it be legal is a different matter. The fact is that it is legal and as such should pay its way.
    Sports need money. That money can come from corporations or it can come from the fans.
    I'd rather we take corporate money than charge fans $100 to watch a game.

    And Darren, you are a wowser. It's natural selection. Ever heard of the Darwin awards? Some people can handle life, some people can't.
     
  11. Darren

    Darren Well-Known Member

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    No Duff, just think of others.
     
  12. RL Gronk

    RL Gronk New Member

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    Like jace
     
  13. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    You can't live in bubble wrap. That's not the way humanity rolls.
    To protect a few from themselves at the expense of the majority is not cool.
    Everyone is responsible for themself.
     
  14. eagles2win

    eagles2win Well-Known Member

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    Necessary evils.

    Children won't someone think of the children!!
     
  15. Budgewoi Eagle

    Budgewoi Eagle In for the long haul. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    "Everyone is responsible for themself."

    And if that self didn't have gambling shoved in their face every time they watched a sporting contest, then maybe that self wouldn't throw away their own money, steal the family rent and food money, and finally steal from their employers in order to fund the ever increasing gambling addiction. Also, the sportsmen that that self loves to watch run around, may not be tempted by big dollars, bribery, or threats against their loved ones to throw games. Maybe that self needs to pull his head out of the sand.
     
  16. Duff

    Duff Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    My my. We are dramatic today aren't we.

    They throw money into the game and I welcome it. Funny, i've never felt compelled to gamble because our jerseys have centrebet written on the back.
    You make your own decisions. Somebody who is irresponsible enough to throw their families money away will do it regardless of external influences. That's just the way they are.
     
  17. COMMANDER

    COMMANDER IF YOU DO NOT TRY YOU CAN NOT FAIL 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    these are a few of my favourite things
     

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