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Foward pack better than 2014??

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by maxta, Dec 12, 2014.

  1. maxta

    maxta Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Yes for me with the addition of 1 of the most skillful fowards in Mateo
    The old tough head of Mason
    The comeback of hopefully a fit Trjobovic who is a massive talent
    Jesse, Starling & Dunamis will only be better in 2015
    Young Hodges will add great impact & ruck speed off the bench

    Keep in mind Gift was virtually a non event due to injury & has been for 2 years, best years gone though will add skill to a huge Souths pack if available

    Choc - Still a massive fan of his ability & though he created a rift last year, noone can deny his gutsy efforts on 1 leg while he wore the Manly jersey....a huge loss...

    Kingy - a fan of his loyal leadership & as a Seaeagles junior but tbh, theres others who will step up & at least match his imput imo

    If the fowards can improve 5-10%, our backs will get us over the line foe another genuine premiership assault in 2015!!
     
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  2. Kevinward777

    Kevinward777 Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget about Vave. I believe he will play a part.
     
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  3. maxta

    maxta Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Thats a fair call, have certainly transformed players with less ability into quality NRL players.... plus Buhrer will be back & be the most experienced Seaeagle backrower at the club - great player
     
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  4. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    I see a different pack and without a season ending injury early like last year better.

    Lui and Starling will be better, choc is a loss, Mateo is different and may form a great combo with Hodges.

    The depth is a bit better but if we end up with 5 or 6 injured at the pointy end we are doomed, as any team would be
     
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  5. BOZO

    BOZO Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Last seasons pack that lost by one point to the bulldogs who made the GF
    lock: Lui
    s/row :Horo and Symonds
    prop: King and Lawrence
    hooker : Hodges
    Bench : LSF, Hasson ,Starling, Harrison
    2015 season we will also have Buhrer , Ballin, Mason, Mateo , Vave and Trjobovic with the exception of Harrison and King who was past his best
    Our 2015 pack is looking good :)
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    Choc will be a loss but he was also a pain in the ass with his media crap .
     
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  6. Lifestart

    Lifestart New Member

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    If all are fit and in form the forward pack will be:
    Starling
    Ballin
    Lawrence
    Mateo
    Horo
    Buhrer

    Reserves
    Mason
    Lui
    JSL
    Symonds

    The backs pick them self with maybe the exception of the wingers to choose from: Hiku, Taufua, Wolfman, Gutherson & Blair
     
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  7. sheridanstand78

    sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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    It is all about metres gained. Our go forward really struggled in the last 3rd of this season and our average metres gained was well behind the grand finalists. This needs to change in 2015 so our brilliant backs have a decent platform.

    The addition of Mason and Matteo will add to this. Our props need to lift in this area big time. I think we will do ok as long as the young fellas step up.
     
  8. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Does anyone really think that Hodges will get a regular spot if Ballin is fit ?? I can't see Toovey deviating from the one hooker tactic we've had since 2008. I'd like to see it but don't think it will happen
     
  9. silvereagle

    silvereagle Active Member

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    Definitely some stronger upfront grunt and better backrow ball playing in 2015. BJ Lawrence would be absolutely destructive from the 2nd row imo and will add more grunt to the pack. Wasted at prop and just a tad light on.

    So for mine….

    Starling
    Ballin
    Vave
    Lawrence
    Mateo
    Buhrer

    Reserves
    Mason
    Lui
    JSL
    Symonds

    Backups
    Turbo
    Horo
    Leary (great buy and I think will be a regular in the 2nd row)
    Ligi
    Baker (I like this kid. seen him play at Mounties….great potential under Toovey and Donny)
     
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  10. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    Much is the pity because I think it's a great tactic, bringing on a livelier dummy half for about 15-20 mins, Ballin gets a rest and comes back for the tougher stuff at the end.

    Or if we are behind and need a spark he comes in with 20 to go, I'd do it in a heartbeat as the 17th Man is hardly used anyway.
     
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  11. Ramrod

    Ramrod Well-Known Member

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    Can't see why Taufua can't be a sub second rower.
    I think he'll be devastating as a second rower, with speed and strength (like Beaver).
    That'll solve the "too many wingers" and "high ball" issue.
    ...especially now that we've sacked two forwards before the start of 2015.
     
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  12. Loobs

    Loobs I am not really Scott Penn Premium Member

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    Yeah he's no chance. And no offence to the kid but until the point Ballin is no longer a 80 minute hooker, he shouldn't even be an afterthought.

    Dunno about Horo starting. I think Lui or JSL should be getting more minutes...
     
  13. delz

    delz Active Member

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    Not too sure ! I think we are one prop shy of having a strong pack.

    Injury concerns over Turbo senior (ankle) ,Vave (pectorial) & Bruher (knee) means we are extremely light-on in regards to forwards during the first few weeks of the comp.

    I think we need to sign another big proven tough forward. Surely we have some money now that both Tetevano and Hopoate are no longer with us. The only problem is that there isn't much talent around.
     
  14. Snake

    Snake Doing The Eagle Rock!

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    I think the pack is looking better for 2015.

    We needed to bolster our forward stocks with size; of those that will play regular first grade, we've added Mason, Vave, and Mateo. Starling, Lui, and JSL will be another year stronger, and Buhrer and Ballin will return from injury.

    I am not one to underestimate the loss of Gifty and Choc; both were tough, rugged defenders, with one a great ballplayer, and the other a great worker. However, neither are the big body we need in the middle, and both have slowed down somewhat. We also need the cap space to let the next generation come through, and of course re-sign our halves.

    I would like to see Hodges get 20 minutes a match. We have been pretty average in second halves for a few years now, and I think he could provide an attacking spark from 50-70th minute in games.
     
  15. GraEddie

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    I'd like to see BJ play in the 2nd row as well. Although he has done some great stuff at prop i think starling/vave/mason should be fight it out for th starting front row positions and have Mateo/BJ and Buhrer as our back row. Rotation of Lui, JSL, Vave, Symonds….or any up and comer big boppers...
     
  16. simon64

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    Even though we lost Gift and Choc, I still see this years pack being outdone by that of 2015.

    Gift hardly played and Choc just rocked the boat all year.

    Hopefully, the rules change and the interchange is cut so it's not so reliant on having a pack full of 120kg plus boppers. The game should be about footballing skills.
     
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  17. Beaver boy

    Beaver boy Well-Known Member

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    The pack will only be better if they punt HORO. Absolutely tlike tits on a bull, no impact, doesn't breakthe line, misses tackles, slow and no intimidation!!!
     
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  18. Gib the Pom

    Gib the Pom Active Member

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    All things considered I believe we are...

    Its a case of we have got maybe not what we wanted (I'm sure we would have all loved to see a superstar front rower come in, obviously salary being the reason we can't)... but more so a case of we have got what we needed.

    All our signings haven't been high profile, and I'm glad about that. I'm happy to be written off as we are every year. We can quietly go about our business.
    Mason brings the mongrel we have lacked in our pack for years, he actually enjoys doing the dirty work, and IMO our current forwards are almost too honest, with no mongrel in them that I reckon every team needs. Mateo is somewhat of an unknown quantity, but his quality is unquestionable when he performs. Going off Manly's form of turning these fringe players in to established first graders (or in mateos case re-established) and potential internationals, I anticipate that we will be getting the best out of him as well which is exciting. Add to that returning and new young faces that are hungry to build on their first year last year, or make a name for themselves in Vave, Starling, JSL and Lui and I think our pack has more go-forward with the right mix of aggression and skill to really compete. IMO I would take this years pack over last years.

    Also - really looking forward to seeing Buhrer play now that it is clear he is going to be a first 13 player every week, and now that he is going to have the label of a pack leader. Love watching this guy play.
     
  19. madmax

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    Hi All...........have been reading the forums for quite awhile & just wanted to add my bit. Have been a loyal supporter since 1975!!
    Starting Pack: Vave, Ballin, Starling, Mateo, Lawrence, Buhrer
    Reserves: Mason, Lui, Sene Lefao, Hodges / Symonds

    Backs: Stewart, Taufua / Gutherson, Lyon, Matai, Blair / Williams, Foran, DCE
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    Hi All...........have been reading the forums for quite awhile & just wanted to add my bit. Have been a loyal supporter since 1975!!
    Starting Pack: Vave, Ballin, Starling, Mateo, Lawrence, Buhrer
    Reserves: Mason, Lui, Sene Lefao, Hodges / Symonds

    Backs: Stewart, Taufua / Gutherson, Lyon, Matai, Blair / Williams, Foran, DCE
     
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  20. rifraff

    rifraff Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Symonds, Buhrer and Mateo.

    We missed Buhrer, Symonds really lifted and stood up.

    Make or break year for Mateo but we have Dunamis too.

    Fingers crossed for an injury free year..
     
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