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Forward Passes!

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by conanu, Jun 10, 2013.

  1. conanu

    conanu Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    Dont we blow the whistle for forward passes anymore?

    There were two blatent ones from Widdop to Blair in the Melbourne game that were tries. Lulu-eye did two obvious ones in the play directly before the Warriors first 2. No one seems to notice them anymore even the commentators dont mention them anymore.
     
  2. dowdz

    dowdz Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Yes, seems to be a lot of forward passes these days not getting called.

    Maybe an OPSM shout out is needed again
     
  3. MANLY4LIFE

    MANLY4LIFE Well-Known Member

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    Glad it's not just me that's noticing we got duded yet again !!!!!! So frustrating ,I never post on Fb but my status yesterday was I didn't know forward passes were allowed when scoring tries these days ........how bad was the Hayne try forward pass what a joke !
     
  4. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I guess it's frustrating when you can see it clearly on the telecast, but the on field officials can't see it. I can understand how they (the refs) may not always be in a good position to get a side on view of most passes, seeing as one is in front of the ruck and one is behind and not likely to be parallel to the play to judge the passes. Forward passes should be mainly the domain of the touchies, they should be positioning themselves along the advantage line and getting the best view. They've got very little else to do these days

    It's a simplistic view to say that video refs should be able to rule on forward passes. It's easy to call it when they are blatant (Hayne try being case in point), but at some point it will become subjective and with that you get controversy. This is why they changed the rule so video refs couldn't rule on forward passes, the system wasn't perfect. Camera angle is never perfectly perpendicular to the sideline at the point of the pass so replays aren't always clear.

    I've seen plenty of flat or non forward passes pulled up lately as well. I think we just need to accept that the game isn't perfect and human error will always be part of it.
     
  5. simon64

    simon64 Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    I don't always blame the pinkies. I've always said the best place to pick up a forward pass is on TV. Even allowing for the angle of the camera, the markings help a lot and you're not looking through bodies.
     
  6. Jatz Crackers

    Jatz Crackers Moderator Staff Member

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    I hate to have to put this forward but if any of us really wanted to see league minus all the forward passes then a device attached/inserted to the actual footy combined with devices on sidline mean question marks from the likes of us would be a thing of the past.

    The technology is inexpensive and readily available to any sport.
     
  7. TokyoEagle

    TokyoEagle Well-Known Member

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    Touchies job, what else do these guys do. They must be the most overpaid job in Australia ATM.
     
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  8. castle eagle

    castle eagle Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    the touchies were too busy calling us off side on sunday to worry about policing the forward passes!
     
  9. cava2323

    cava2323 Active Member

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    The amount of tunnel ball from the warriors was an effin joke last Sunday. Proper play the ball seems optional with these refs.
     
  10. Hamster Huey

    Hamster Huey Space Invader Premium Member

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    The physics around a passed football, previously discussed about how a ball not considered forward really does travel in-front of the line of release, would confuse the technology.

    Touchies just need to be more vigilant/vocal about calling them.
     
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  11. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I think the technology would be smart enough to determine relative motion from the point of pass release. Determining the point of release in real time would be the difficult issue I would imagine.
     
  12. Napper

    Napper Well-Known Member

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    Spot on. Dont they have it in soccer now to stop incorrect rulings when the ball lands over the goal line?
     
  13. Bradza

    Bradza Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    I noticed that too and was screaming at the telly. A couple of their players do it nearly every time they play the ball and it definitely speeds up the ruck and gets defenders on the back foot. Crack down required!
     
  14. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Cameron Smith anyone? Every short ball from him at Dummy half is forward FFS and there is no momentum because he is standing still. I'd go as far as saying the ball must go backwards from the hands not flat, flat passes may be penalised which is then the grey area, forward passes will all be penalised then hopefully.
     
  15. EagleFromMay1967

    EagleFromMay1967 In bed before the room got dark.

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    The last time i made a pass at someone, i was penalised, and told not to be so forward. I was just seeking a point of release, for fs, Next time, have resolved to 'use technology', and imagination, to achieve pass release.

    If my 'touchies' are too vocal, will that 'distract' everyone and prevent me from attaching/inserting a device ?
     
  16. Hamster Huey

    Hamster Huey Space Invader Premium Member

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    The 'system' would still need to somehow work out when a player catching a ball forward of the release line is receiving a fair forward pass, or a genuine one.

    It would need to know when ball travel is out of the hand, as opposed to kicking or even simple forward motion while in the hand (player momentum, dummies, etc).

    It just sounds like a more complicated system which will simply not cope with the variables within the game, and on the pass. Just get the human element more right; touchies do their jobs!!!
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    Isn't that rule in soccer just about using a review system, from a camera in-line with the goal line? Not sure it's a chip.

    If it is a chip, then the system would be far easier when considering a single movable object against a stationary line.
     
  17. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Can I just clarify whether you are male or female before I respond to that post.
     
  18. SeaEagleRock8

    SeaEagleRock8 Sea Eagle Lach Staff Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    This pops up every now and then.
    To appreciate some of the variables associated with momentum of players when passing the ball, I always recommend this simple experiment.
    Take the F3 (or your favourite motorway) and maintain a speed of 110kph. Cruise control helps, if you have it.
    Exactly as you draw level with the twin servo exit (or some other clear landmark of your choice) throw your old TV, using a backwards motion, out the passenger side window. (You can use the driver side, but not recommended.)
    You will see the TV roll (or sometimes shatter) in a clearly forward direction, even though it was thrown backwards.
     
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  19. manlyfan76

    manlyfan76 Parra Trolls are the best. Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    What you said is true but it does not explain forward passes from dummy half (cameron smith) and thurston when he is running sideways across the field.
     
  20. Rex

    Rex Well-Known Member

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    Is this technology available?

    Just need to measure whether the centre of the ball decelerates (backward) or accelerates (forward) towards the opposition tryline when passed. Simple enough in theory.

    Maybe there's some practical issues to overcome to make it a reality, but would prefer an objective decision. Would also deal with the problem of referees calling virtually every dropped ball a knock-on.
     

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