Choc's phone seized?

[manlyfan76]

Customs can search just about anything coming into the country. The question is not were they acting within their rights to search a phone but why they singled out Choc ( if the story is even true). If they had suspicions of illegal activity from information provided from another govt. agency -think ACC- then that would be fine but would Choc still have the same phone he had from2010? unlikely so would they be looking for something newer?

I had a friend who was coming back from the Greek Isles and they searched his phone and found emails that depicted illegal acts and he had to surrender the phone or be charged (with an offense, not have his phone battery charged!).

 

[Dan]

As for why they would seize it, there is software out there commercially available that will let you access the entire contents of the phone and any deleted data that has not yet been overwritten, and to an extent some chunks of data that have only been semi-overwritten.

Both Android and iOS phones are unix based operating systems. Data is deleted but still present until that segment of disk is used again. That is about the easiest way to explain it.

I highly doubt there would be much data left over from 2010 on there however.

 

[Masked Eagle]

I would like to know what right they would have to do this to any player without A search warrant from the courts. Are we in Australia or communist china?

ASADA had Customs do it on their behalf . So in essence Customs can do it , the other mob can't .

Entrapment is now the latest tactic being used .

Fairly sure that's not really what entrapment is Daveagle.

I'm also reasonably sure ASADA's new powers mean they can compel someone to hand over their phone now anyway, although as this happened a while ago to Choc it probably happened before they had the legislative powers to do so.

 

[CAMBO]

As for why they would seize it, there is software out there commercially available that will let you access the entire contents of the phone and any deleted data that has not yet been overwritten, and to an extent some chunks of data that have only been semi-overwritten.

Both Android and iOS phones are unix based operating systems. Data is deleted but still present until that segment of disk is used again. That is about the easiest way to explain it.

I highly doubt there would be much data left over from 2010 on there however.

Don't know If you can answer this dan.

Lets say a person had an iPhone 4 in 2010 and they had deleted info such as text text backed their iPhone up on a laptop on iTunes etc and have upgraded to an iPhone5 and downloaded a backup of the iphone4 to set up the new phi e. do you think there is software that could get that info when it has never been on that phone?

 

[MissKate]

As for why they would seize it, there is software out there commercially available that will let you access the entire contents of the phone and any deleted data that has not yet been overwritten, and to an extent some chunks of data that have only been semi-overwritten.

Both Android and iOS phones are unix based operating systems. Data is deleted but still present until that segment of disk is used again. That is about the easiest way to explain it.

I highly doubt there would be much data left over from 2010 on there however.

And you honestly expect anyone from asada to know all that. Have they shown any signs of any intellect to date?

 

[Frogz]

Is so good about all the confidentiality of these investigations....Someone should have a go at ASADA for leaking info

 

[Dan]

Well I hope you get a higher pay scale soon

As for why they would seize it, there is software out there commercially available that will let you access the entire contents of the phone and any deleted data that has not yet been overwritten, and to an extent some chunks of data that have only been semi-overwritten.

Both Android and iOS phones are unix based operating systems. Data is deleted but still present until that segment of disk is used again. That is about the easiest way to explain it.

I highly doubt there would be much data left over from 2010 on there however.

Don't know If you can answer this dan.

Lets say a person had an iPhone 4 in 2010 and they had deleted info such as text text backed their iPhone up on a laptop on iTunes etc and have upgraded to an iPhone5 and downloaded a backup of the iphone4 to set up the new phi e. do you think there is software that could get that info when it has never been on that phone?

hmm hard to say. If they took an image of the phone as a backup that data may be there, but this is unlikely as a standard backup does not do this, it just backs up existing data.

As for why they would seize it, there is software out there commercially available that will let you access the entire contents of the phone and any deleted data that has not yet been overwritten, and to an extent some chunks of data that have only been semi-overwritten.

Both Android and iOS phones are unix based operating systems. Data is deleted but still present until that segment of disk is used again. That is about the easiest way to explain it.

I highly doubt there would be much data left over from 2010 on there however.

And you honestly expect anyone from asada to know all that. Have they shown any signs of any intellect to date?

I absolutely guarantee that ASADA have computer forensic specialists or access to them

 

[Daveagle]

I would like to know what right they would have to do this to any player without A search warrant from the courts. Are we in Australia or communist china?

ASADA had Customs do it on their behalf . So in essence Customs can do it , the other mob can't .

Entrapment is now the latest tactic being used .

Fairly sure that's not really what entrapment is Daveagle.

I'm also reasonably sure ASADA's new powers mean they can compel someone to hand over their phone now anyway, although as this happened a while ago to Choc it probably happened before they had the legislative powers to do so.

In the true sense then it's probably not entrapment . Just the possibility that one government arm is pulling another government arm for assistance is a little too big brother for my liking , especially if you take into consideration the reason for the investigation in the first place . And no my eyes aren't being kept open by match sticks .

 

[Nike]

You have no rights in Australia anyway, why does this come as a surprise? They have more rights in Amerikkka.

 

[SeaEagleRock8]

Well I hope you get a higher pay scale soon

Hey Dan– I wasn't talking to you!! lol

 

[Shoe1]

I seized my kids' lunch boxes this morning, then placed them in their schoolbags. Then I seized my keys and locked the door before seizing the letters out of my mailbox. I might go and seize a cuppa in a minute.

Has Aidan Seizer been involved yet?

 

[Masked Eagle]

I would like to know what right they would have to do this to any player without A search warrant from the courts. Are we in Australia or communist china?

ASADA had Customs do it on their behalf . So in essence Customs can do it , the other mob can't .

Entrapment is now the latest tactic being used .

Fairly sure that's not really what entrapment is Daveagle.

I'm also reasonably sure ASADA's new powers mean they can compel someone to hand over their phone now anyway, although as this happened a while ago to Choc it probably happened before they had the legislative powers to do so.

In the true sense then it's probably not entrapment . Just the possibility that one government arm is pulling another government arm for assistance is a little too big brother for my liking , especially if you take into consideration the reason for the investigation in the first place . And no my eyes aren't being kept open by match sticks .

I understand what your saying, but we do want govt agencies to co-operate. Ultimately these agencies working together should help minimise bad things happening and make it easier to catch bad guys. No doubt it can be abused and the rights of the indivdual can be at times a secondary concern, but to not have them co-operating would be a far bigger risk and cost us, (as tax-payers) a lot more if they had to do everything themselves.

 

[MadMarcus]

I seized my kids' lunch boxes this morning, then placed them in their schoolbags. Then I seized my keys and locked the door before seizing the letters out of my mailbox. I might go and seize a cuppa in a minute.

Has Aidan Seizer been involved yet?

I hope you don't have a seizure.

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I hold Choc doesn't have an andROID.

I hold you meant 'hope'.

Thanks bones - corrected now. I confirm I don't 'hold' Choc...

 

[HappilyManly]

FoxSports News just had a snippet regarding Cho's alleged phone strip -

Gifty - "I'm here to talk footy"
Tooves - "I don't know anything about it, I can't even use my own phone"
Matty-"I don't know about it and I would not like to speculate"
Wolfie-"I only know what you guys are telling me.But I break my phone every 3 weeks, so mine would be of no use to them"
BJ="THey wouldn't want to get hold of my phone, they would find some really freaky things on there"

Manly united and unfazed by the Media hype

http://www.foxsports.com.au/League/watmough039s-phone-taken/video-e6frf3ou-1226692760595?subcat=1225914677015&videourlv2=false&site=FoxSports

 

[bob dylan]

A
Song
And
Dance
About-nothing

 

[Dan]

FoxSports News just had a snippet regarding Cho's alleged phone strip -

Gifty - "I'm here to talk footy"
Tooves - "I don't know anything about it, I can't even use my own phone"
Matty-"I don't know about it and I would not like to speculate"
Wolfie-"I only know what you guys are telling me.But I break my phone every 3 weeks, so mine would be of no use to them"
BJ="THey wouldn't want to get hold of my phone, they would find some really freaky things on there"

Manly united and unfazed by the Media hype

http://www.foxsports.com.au/League/watmough039s-phone-taken/video-e6frf3ou-1226692760595?subcat=1225914677015&videourlv2=false&site=FoxSports

ha, well played boys

 

[dowdz]

Why would they need to seize the phone? Wouldn't they already have phone records as eveidence? If they have any evidence at all.

You would think if there were any thing on the phone it would be all deleted.

Apparently the machine they plug it into downloads everything that's been on the phone including deleted texts etc

Thanks Kiwi. Didn't know about that.

 

[Fluffy]

Is there any truth in this story?

It was only last week that they did the exact same thing to Gallen word by word yet that was not true.

I call bull****e

 

[God]

Lets be honest it's 2013 - who still has their phone from 2010 I've been through at least 8 since then, I'd assume a high paid footballer would have been through a few too.

 

[niccipops]

I'd assume a high paid footballer would have been through a few too.

God, get your mind out of the gutter and concentrate on producing miracles.