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BURNING QUESTIONS

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by Berkeley_Eagle, Nov 17, 2008.

  1. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    My response

    Grand final team

    01. Brett Stewart
    02. Michael Robertson
    03. Steve Matai
    04. Steven Bell (gone)
    05. David Williams
    06. Jamie Lyon
    07. Matt Orford
    08. Brent Kite
    09. Matt Ballin
    10. Josh Perry
    11. Anthony Watmough
    12. Glenn Hall
    13. Glenn Stewart

    14. Heath L'Estrange
    15. Mark Bryant (gone)
    16. Jason King
    17. Steve Menzies (gone)

    the way I see it we have 3 players from the Grand final team gone so they need to be replaced

    Cuthbo deserves and will fill 1 spot

    players we purchased
    Tony Williams
    Chris Bailey
    Shane Rodney

    and other options
    Jared Wearra-Hargreaves (could be a huge Bolter I think)
    Vic Mauro
    Mick Bani
    Shane Neumann



    so

    01. Brett Stewart
    02. Michael Robertson
    03. Steve Matai
    04. Tony Williams
    05. David Williams
    06. Jamie Lyon
    07. Matt Orford
    08. Josh Perry
    09. Matt Ballin
    10. Brent Kite
    11. Anthony Watmough
    12. Glenn Hall
    13. Glenn Stewart

    14. Heath L'Estrange
    15. Adam Cuthbertson
    16. Jason King
    17. Jared Wearra-Hargreaves ( I reckon the kid will be ready)

    Chris Baily & Shane Rodney will have to fight to get into the team I think
    Vic Mauro, Mick Bani, Shane Neumann, George Rose will be thereabouts if injury hits

    Oh and Trent Hogkinson and Keiren Foran just in case Ox goes down

    thats my spin on 09
     
  2. SilentBob

    SilentBob Well-Known Member

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    B Stewart
    Bani
    D Williams
    Matai
    Robertson
    Lyon
    Orford
    Kite
    Ballin
    Perry
    Hall
    Watmough
    G Stewart

    LeStrange
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    Cuthbertson
    T Williams
     
  3. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    I am going to leave it to Des but I think what he does with Lyon will be very interesting - to me at 5/8 he was the difference this year.  Look at how OX & team played when he wasn't there...........
     
  4. Pepi

    Pepi Well-Known Member

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    If you asked me rounds 1-10 this year who i wanted as 5/8th i would have said Bailey for sure. Im guilty as charged, i thought we would never win with Lyon at 5/8th.
    Now i wouldn't have any other 5/8th ahead of Killer, apart from Lockyer. Bailey is a good ball runner, but doesn't have the kicking game, passing game, vision or speed to be a full time 5/8th
     
  5. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    Bailey has a much better kicking game than lyon overall. Lyons best over the last few weeks/months is about par with bailey when on.

    I'd play bailey at 5/8 to start, lyon in the centres and T Williams on the bench. Then we have the flexibilty to change it round. If it isnt working then we can shift after half a dozen rounds.
     
  6. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Bailey 5/8, Lyon back to his preferred position, centre.  Williams at lock.  I'd give Bani first go at wing, let 'cash happy' Williams fight for the spot and see what he has in him.
     
  7. clontaago

    clontaago Well-Known Member

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    **** me one quote from the media (not the player, who has been very mature about the situation and says he wants to stay) and you are ready to hang him out to dry. Another smite for you.

    My Take:

    1. T Williams is not a centre. He is a backrower.
    2. Put D.Williams in the centres in the trials. If he takes to the role well it solves 2 problems for us. We get a new centre and he takes Bell's paycheck instead of paying overs for a winger.

    My side would be:

    Stewart
    Robbo
    Matai
    Williams
    Bani
    Lyon
    Orford
    Kite
    Ballin
    Perry
    Hall
    Watmough
    Stewart

    Le Strange
    T. Williams
    King
    Cuthbo
     
  8. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    I like the look of that side Doug, bailey can take Willos spot at 18th man (but generally gets a game because of injury, suspension etc) - the key will be whether Williams can hack it in the centres
     
  9. clontaago

    clontaago Well-Known Member

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    Yeah its a big question mark on him as we havent seen any ball skills from him at all.

    If not I guess Bailey could always play in the centres. I'd be very hesitant to move Lyon back into the centres.
     
  10. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Clon, thanks for the smite, probably the only one deserved all year.  Now, why not put Lyon back in the centre?  Why hesitate?  That's his preferred position and he's deadly there.  His setting up of his outside backs and his defense is superb.  Bailey can catch and pass and kick, something Killer can't do.  Bailey is not a centre, maybe a lock, or hooker but I'd like to see him at 5/8 outside the little man. 
     
  11. CliffyIsGod

    CliffyIsGod Well-Known Member

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    Lyon can catch pass and kick better that Bailey.
     
  12. clontaago

    clontaago Well-Known Member

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    Lyon at 5/8 was one of the keys to us winning the comp this year. He needs more involvment than he would get at centre. Just my opinion
     
  13. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    And your opinion is 100% right in my opinion mate.
     
  14. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

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    Lyon has to be 5/8. I mainly base this on the fact DSM5 disagrees.
     
  15. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    What's with the 'mate' Ryan.  You know Clon doesn't like you. 
    Anyway, with Bell gone I can see our outside backs leaking tries.  Lyon is our best defender and will be needed as a centre closing down raids and helping out D Williams.  In 08 we had Bell and Beaver out there doing that job.    On current performance D Williams is not a centre, he didn't show an ability to read and adjust.  Bailey can be the 5/8 and catch and pass for Lyon to be creative.  T Williams in to lock.  He needs plenty of time on the paddock and not getting lazy on the bench. 
     
  16. clontaago

    clontaago Well-Known Member

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    I'd buy Rhino a beer any day of the week. To say I dont like him is simply wrong, but thats something you seem to be good at DSM5.
     
  17. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    It's irony Clon, buts that something you don't understand obviously. 
     
  18. deadlyeagle

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    at first i was a big fan of Lyon to centre and Bailey to 5/8. But as the season grew on so did the combination of lyon orford and the rest of the team, as a result when lyon was injured at 5/8 we actually lost most of our games or performed badly.

    So now i come to think why ruin a premiership winning combination which has grown over two years? it might take Bailey and Orford a while to "grow" this combination that lyon and orford have forged. What i came to realise was that Lyon was an excellent ball runner, and became a great playmaker through his hands, orford on the other hand complimented this via his great kicking ability.
     
  19. DSM5

    DSM5 Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Deadly, my take on the losses when Killer was out, was not that we lost an influential 5/8, it was his defense that was most sorely missed.  I won't slit my wrists whichever way it goes, but I'd like to see Des do some experimentation early in the season to see if or how Bailey and Orford click and to see if T Williams is up to the lock position.  I'd like an update on Bani's health now.  He was terrific before he got injured and could, if fit, put pressure on D Williams, or slot into the centre position.  I'd hate it if Bani faded into the Qld cup.  Pressure, always a healthy thing. 
     
  20. eagle_predator

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    Does anyone know how many trials we have in 09 and against whom ?
     

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