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Bellamy's Dangerous Position

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by EagleFromMay1967, Apr 17, 2014.

  1. EagleFromMay1967

    EagleFromMay1967 In bed before the room got dark.

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    Bellamy claims he was at quitting point over the McLean / McKinnon crisis.

    I dont believe this for a moment. He may have gone thru a bit of an 'agonising recrimination' / guilty conscience over his coaching of the Storm and the injury too poor Alex McKinnon, but their wrestling style of play is endemic to the club's culture and method of play. They are a dirty team for many reasons. Salary cap rorting is just another example.

    Even departing forwards who have left the club have later revealed the tactics, the specialised coaching inspired by Bellamy and assistants.

    I wish Bellamy had gone ahead and quit. What will it take for Melbourne Scum to clean up their act ?. I doubt even an on-field death would do it. It would just be another public epiphany, and then business as usual.

    Greenturd has announced that the MRC and the refs are going to crack down on 'dangerous position tackles' from this weekend. Certain clubs will have to extra careful with their tackling technique. I dont think the players will be able to adjust as quickly as Greenturd hopes. And there are bound to be players put on report, and suspensions.

    Hope the MWSE players can keep on the right side of the ledger. I our principal risk with this type of tackle has now retired, but it can happen to almost anyone.

    Players may learn to dive, to make these Dangerous Positions look worse a la a certain Wabbits fullback

    Thoughts ?
     
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  2. MadMarcus

    MadMarcus Local Lunatic 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    If Bellamy had quit at least some good would have come from this horrible situation.
     
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  3. BOZO

    BOZO Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Very funny MadMarcus LOL :)
     
  4. sheridanstand78

    sheridanstand78 Well-Known Member

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    Its always about Bellyache. So sick of this win at all costs wanker.

    The drizzle epitomise everything that is wrong with the game. A club built on the base of greed and selfishness. You reap what you sow!!!
     
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  5. Ryan

    Ryan Well-Known Member

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    I hold The Storm in very high regard. I think they are very similar to us. Winning culture (no matter which players are selected), good techniques, good coaching, players want to play for them.

    Bellamy is a fantastic coach.
     
  6. lsz

    lsz Well-Known Member Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Nice way to deflect some of the attention away from his players....
     
  7. COMMANDER

    COMMANDER IF YOU DO NOT TRY YOU CAN NOT FAIL 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    In the end of it if anyone was going to get a broken neck it was going to be someone playing the Storm.

    Bellamy is the architect of the grapple, the crusher and chicken wing tackle and has dedicated his career to slowing the play the ball down which put players in danger.

    Smacks of hypocrisy.
     
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  8. Daddycool08

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    We know that if you coach someone to a point that is so sharp you get muscle memory.

    This is used by most armed forces when they train recruits.

    It just points out the coaching is wrong the style is wrong and the NRL are wrong not to stamp out the wrestle.

    Manly have adopted a similar wrestling style as have other clubs.

    I notice that in every tackle the opposition player is 'always' rolled onto his back. I have seen other teams do this and get penalised but Melbourne 'always' get away with it. They are superbly coached in these tactics and they do it so well.

    Now I am extremely sorry that McKinnon was injured no one wants that.

    Also, I feel that one Melbourne player was signalled out to take the blame not because of a dangerous tackle but because another player was injured. Further if you look at the tackle it did not deserve 7 weeks. It deserved 3 but with the seriousness of the injury it was loaded up and one guy copped the full blame for it. This is not right.

    If the NRL wanted to stop this they lived up to their normal performance which could and has been called amateuristic by respected commentators and journalists of the game.

    The NRL, in my opinion, should have banned the three players for 12 weeks and make a statement that the wrestling techniques will no longer be tolerated.
     
  9. Snake

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    When you consider that the tackle that injured Alex McKinnon was one of the more minor lifting tackles we've seen over the years, this criticism of the Storm is unwarranted.

    It was an accident, and up until now, tackles of that nature, were something that happened in just about every game played in the history of the sport. I do not like Melbourne, and agree that the wrestling is a blight on the game, but you have to hand it to Bellamy, he will find any way to win, and that is what the game is all about; winning!
     
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  10. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Just to counter Ryan's opinion from his above post.....

    I hold the scum in very low regard. They are polar opposites to us. Cheating culture (no matter which players are picked), disgraceful and always eventually outlawed techniques, cowardly coaching, players happy to play for them with 2 or more contracts.

    Bellamy is an ethically devoid coach.
     
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  11. mozgrame

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    I don't believe Bellamy is the coach many believe him to be. The fact that the spine of his team, Slater, Cronk and Smith are there and remain relatively injury free, year in year out is the true secret (or not) of their success. When these 3, or any pair of these 3 even, leave footy or the club, Bellamy's myth will be exposed.

    I see it like this....A lot of people think Bellamy is one of the greatest coaches of all time, but how did he go with the Blues??

    Exactly the same as.....A lot of people think Mal Meninga is one of the greatest coaches of all time, but how did he go with the Raiders??

    The common denominator? That's right....Bellamy's players. He himself is an egotistical wank. But that's only my opinion :)
     
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  12. susan

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    Bellamy's Origin coaching record is terrible but it was his lack of plan B that stood out for me in those losses.Much like Maguire with the vermin. If the mixos don't roll over a team up the middle and that team plays some football, he has nothing.

    Plus the idea that he was not behind the salary cap rort is ludicrous.For some reason people think Waldron was the CEO when they got caught.He was NOT and the idea that the nuffie that replaced him took over the rort seamlessly under Bellamy's nose is patently ridiculous.

    The constant use the word "culture" by the commentariat to describe a team that conducted the greatest systematic cheating in Australian sporting history just underlines the incredible dearth of intelligent and independent thinking in our game. Our game is run by fools, refereed by fools and with a few exceptions, broadcast and analysed by fools. The fact it is still commands our undivided attention is testimony to what a great game it is and nothing else.
     
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  13. Snake

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    You've only got to look at their structures in attack to know that they are a well coached side. He developed that spine himself as well.

    I hate Melbourne and I am as passionate about Manly as anyone, but I can read a game like no ones business, and the guy can coach.
     
  14. Ralphie

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    Spot Snake, for years he has brilliantly coached the Grapple, the Chicken Wing, the Rolling Pin, the Crusher and sundry wrestling tactics that aren't in the spirit of the game.
     
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  15. HoldenV8

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    I've got no doubt that Bellamy is a good coach. Salary cap BS aside, he still got those teams to 5 Grand Finals for 1 legit premiership. We can moan and groan about the Storm's tactics all we like, but the fact is they have proven to be very effective. And if their salary cap hadn't been exposed they would have been seen as one of the greatest club sides ever.

    I think part of his problem as NSW Origin coach was that he came up against one of the best representative sides ever, and part of that Qld success was his 'Big 3' of Smith, Slater and Cronk, along with Inglis and Folau. He was up against players who knew his coaching inside and out, and don't think for a minute they didn't spill their guts to Mal and the rest of the Maroons as to what the Blues likely tactics would have been. It's also a fact that other than a few, most of the NSW players he coached in Origin simply weren't up to the class of his Big 3 and the likes of Inglis, Lockyer and Thurston.

    But I do agree that his big test as a coach will come when he no longer has Slater at the back, Cronk controlling the halves and Cam Smith overseeing everything. Will he continue after they finally retire, or will he quit knowing that its unlikely he'll enjoy the same success without them?

    In a way his club coaching reminds me of Wayne Bennett. Not in the tactics used such as wrestling, but in the way their careers have gone. Bennett enjoyed success at the Broncos when he had the likes of Allan Langer, Kevin Walters, Steve Renouf, Willie Carne, Michael Hancock, Wendell Sailor, Darren Lockyer, Gordon Tallis and Petero Civoniceva - all Qld Origin legends. Once the older players like Langer and Walters started to retire (or has been Bennett's habit, were pushed), his sides never did as well despite his lofty position as a 'Supercoach'. And his 2010 premiership with the Dragons came in a year when other clubs were besieged by problems (injuries at Manly, salary cap in Melbourne) or a severe downturn in form (Parramatta and Cronulla). Once Manly and Melbourne were back firing on all cylinders in 2011, the Dragons were nowhere and he boarded the train for Newcastle (stowing Darius Boyd in his carry-on). I see Bellamy, if he continues to coach, going the same way once he doesn't have players like the Big 3 to call on week in, week out.

    A coach is only as good as the players they have. You can be the best coach in the world, a Supercoach even, but if your players aren't good enough its not going to matter in the end.
     
  16. mozgrame

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    So then....is his success based on his ability to get his side to as many GF's as he has in the past years, or, the natural talent and abilities of the players he has and has had in his sides?? Chicken and egg stuff. He may not have had those players if they had followed the rules. If he could coach a side to a 40 nil loss in a GF, because Smith wasn't there.....what does that say of his true abilities???
     
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  17. MadMarcus

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    I have seen a statement more concise and correct than this.
     
  18. globaleagle

    globaleagle Où est mon chapeau Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Cool, what was it?
     
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  19. Mark from Brisbane

    Mark from Brisbane Living the dream Premium Member

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    Beautifully said!!
     
  20. Ron E. Gibbs

    Ron E. Gibbs Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, you could pretty much cut and paste that and it would make sense in every thread on this board, past, present and, sadly, future.
     
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