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Australian side YART- best team from our time at the top

Discussion in 'Cricket Forum' started by The Gronk, Jan 2, 2009.

  1. The Gronk

    The Gronk Well-Known Member

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    So with our time as the best side in the world over I thought it would be interesting to come up with the best side from our time at the top which was 1992-2008. 

    Here's mine:

    1. Mark Taylor
    2. Matthew Hayden
    3. Ricky Ponting
    4. Mark Waugh
    5. Steve Waugh (vc)
    6. Allan Border (c)
    7. Adam Gilchrist
    8. Shane Warne
    9. Jason Gillespie
    10. Bruce Reid
    11. Glenn McGrath

    12. Tim May
    coach: Bob Simpson
     
  2. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    I'd say our time at the top started before that Gronk, and Bruce Reid played his last test in 92 so I'd say its a stretch to have him in there. Top bowler I agree but his best years were before that. I'd like to have seen how he went these days with the injury management skills that are around.

    If I had to pick a team from that time (which I hate doing) it would be something along these lines.

    1. Matt Hayden
    2. Justin Langer
    3. Martin Love
    4. Ricky Ponting
    5. Steve Waugh (c)
    6. Darren Lehmann
    7. Adam Gilchrist
    8. Shane Warne
    9. Brett Lee/ Stuart McGill
    10. Jason Gillespie
    11. Glenn McGrath

    I couldnt find room for Border for the same reason as Reid above, 92 was after his best. I left Taylor out as the 2 openers I named fed off each other and lifted each other.

    Number 3 I know nobody will agree with, this guy is one of the best number 3 bats I've ever seen, and that includes our Current test captain, and also puts the curent slips cordon to shame.

    I hated to include Brett Lee as I personally think hes rubbish at the moment, but he has bowled well at times. Ive bracketed him with McGill if we needed a 2nd Spinner Lee would be on the bench.

    Lehmann is the other contentious one I have put in, only played 30 odd tests, but could have been anything in another, less fitness oriented era.

    Good thread Gronk, I'm sure it will throw up a few roughies.
     
  3. Kiwi Eagle

    Kiwi Eagle Moderator Staff Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Most pick themselves

    A case could probably be made for Martyn v Waugh, and Reid wouldn't have played much during that period, McDermott probably spent more time in the side, or even Lee who has an average record
     
  4. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    it is difficult to judge too as the game has changed a lot over those years. Batting and bowling averages have risen by 10 - 20%. Batsman like Taylor who were defensively very strong are far less common in the last 10 years.

    Hayden
    Langer
    Ponting
    Boon
    S Waugh (VC)
    Border (C)
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Flemming
    Gillespie
    McGrath

    I think our openers speak for themselves - they are one of the top 2 pairs of all time up there with Grenich and Haynes. Tubby Taylor not far behind. Ponting, Waugh and Border all scored 10,000 runs at over 50. Warne, McGrath, Lee and dizzy were a well balanced bowling attack and together for most of the time at the top but Flemming when fit was far superior with the swing compared to Lee, the only thing that cought us out over that period.

    I dont know how you can put Love in there Fro - sure he was good at state level but 5 tests at 28/29 isnt really enough to know if he could handle international cricket.

    KE Martyn had an excellent 18 months where he scored a dozen centuries, however the rest of the time he was pretty mediocre.
     
  5. The Wheel

    The Wheel Well-Known Member

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    Craig Mcdermott would have to be in there before Reid
     
  6. The Gronk

    The Gronk Well-Known Member

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    not too sure about McDermott

    1. He's a ranga
    2. He always seemed to bowl down the leg side

    Actually Lee has taken 300 wickets, more than all of them.  But I have never really rated him ass one of the greats. 
     
  7. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    Yeah you have a point about Love Fluff, it was more a personal thing, given the extended run that some of the golden boys get these days I reckon he would have been a superstar.

    but yeah as far as stats go you are right.
     
  8. SilentBob

    SilentBob Well-Known Member

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    Hayden
    Taylor (c)
    Langer
    M Waugh
    Ponting
    S Waugh
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Gillespie
    MacGill
    McGrath
     
  9. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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    If we started the clock at 1989 when we carved the Poms then Border would be a certainty.  Assuming 1989-2008 my team:

    Hayden
    Boon
    Ponting
    Border
    S Waugh
    S Law
    Gilchrist
    Warne
    Gillespie
    Alderman
    McGrath
     
  10. The Gronk

    The Gronk Well-Known Member

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    Not too sure that I would have Law ahead of M Waugh, D Martyn, J Langer etc, but apart from that a fairly decent side. 

    I think we 'officially' became number one when we beat the then best side in the world, the Windies, in 1995 over in the Caribbean.  But 89-08 sounds like the period where we had a good team.
     
  11. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    well make up your minds does it start in 89, 92 or 95. :)

    it makes a hell of a difference, 89 Brings Border and Reid etc into the mix, 95 excludes a lot of players as well.
     
  12. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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    I stipulated 89 for mine.  Stuart Law should have played the number of tests Mark Waugh played and vice versa.
     
  13. Fro

    Fro Well-Known Member

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    Possibly More Matas.

    But Gronk started it with 92 so I went by his ground rules was my point.
     
  14. Volley

    Volley Well-Known Member

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    Taylor
    Slater
    Katich
    M Waugh
    S Waugh
    Bevan
    Haddin
    Lee
    Clark
    MacGill
    McGrath
     
  15. Chip and Chase

    Chip and Chase True Supporter Staff Member Administrator Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    There is some gold in these teams......Love and Law ??? FFS, there was a reason they only played a dozen or so tests between them. And Katich and Bevan, both handy cricketers but hardly greatest Test XI ever material.

    3 players pick themselves without any shadow of an argument, Warne, McGrath and Gilchrist. These 3 will go down as "immortals" of Australian cricket. From there it's just personal choice as to who you would like in your side.

    Assuming we are going for the tried and true Aussie formula of 4 bowlers and an all-rounder, my side would be (based on 92-present)

    DC Boon (has to be in any Aussie XI named, and won't displace Ponting at 3)
    MJ Slater (only because I used to love watching him in his prime, could quite easily pick Hayden, Langer or Taylor here)
    RT Ponting
    ME Waugh (absolute freak and assuming he is in his younger days counts as my all-rounder)
    MEK Hussey (they don't call him Mr Cricket for nothing)
    SR Waugh (AR Border just didn't play enough tests in this period, otherwise it'd be him)
    AC Gilchrist
    SK Warne
    B Lee*
    JN Gillespie
    GD McGrath

    MJ Clarke - 12th Man

    * Lee gets the 3rd bowling spot just from sheer weight of numbers in the wickets column. McDermott was a pea heart and Full Toss MacGill just doesn't do it for me. I have a soft spot for Kaspa, but he didn't play enough games/take enough wickets to warrant selection.
     
  16. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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      Yeah, they didn't play for NSW and have the Herald advocating their case at every opportunity.
     
  17. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    That didnt stop them from playing great cricket, there are plenty of batsman outside of NSW that managed to play more than 10 tests, Ponting, Martyn, Langer, Hussey, Blewett, Boon, Border, Hayden, Elliott, Lehman etc.
     
  18. Nutzcraw

    Nutzcraw Active Member

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    Matty Hayden
    Justin Langer
    Ricky Ponting
    Mike Hussey
    Steve Waugh
    Allan Border
    Adam Gilchrist
    Brett Lee
    Jason Gillespie
    Shane Warne
    Glenn MacGrath
     
  19. Matabele

    Matabele Well-Known Member

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    You have to be twice as good to crack the Aussie side if you're not playing in Sydney.  Ask Simon Katich.

    The only exception is Gilchrist.
     
  20. clontaago

    clontaago Well-Known Member

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    Katich plays for NSW doesnt he?
     

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