Arrogance

[Canteen Worker]

Bottom line is that players sign enormous contracts with clauses that list the penalties for any sort of drug taking. It can be random and both in and out of season. For the salary that a player is commanding and also for the credibility of the game the onus is on them to stay off anything illegal. (Whilst what is rumoured about most players is true any ASDA testing is reported. It is only in-house club testing in which it might be swept under the carpet.

Again I might be out of sway with some but drugs are a blight on our society and the soft views need to be tempered. I know of too many (and 1 is too many really) people with all sorts of psychoses etc from previous drug taking - that the pro-drug lobby won't talk about.

 

[Fluffy]

[quote author=Ryan]
Fair enough mate - I wasn't directing traffic your way, I'm just saying I reckon if the players want to get on whatever they get on in the off season - good on em. They say it takes 6 weeks for the traces of gear to leave one's system. That means they have until 1/2 way through December to do it - then it's back to business.

In saying that, wasn't there something about one Mason being seen indulging at one time? That's rumour of coarse, and I don't know either way?

try less than 24hours for pills
but yeah - as long as it's not performance enhancing good luck to them

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Depends what pills and what test

MDMA is around 4 days in urine

Most drugs will show up in a hair sample

There are some good websites for these people if they need to use them

 

[PJ]

[quote author=PJ]
[quote author=Ryan]
Fair enough mate - I wasn't directing traffic your way, I'm just saying I reckon if the players want to get on whatever they get on in the off season - good on em. They say it takes 6 weeks for the traces of gear to leave one's system. That means they have until 1/2 way through December to do it - then it's back to business.

In saying that, wasn't there something about one Mason being seen indulging at one time? That's rumour of coarse, and I don't know either way?

try less than 24hours for pills
but yeah - as long as it's not performance enhancing good luck to them

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Depends what pills and what test

MDMA is around 4 days in urine

Most drugs will show up in a hair sample

There are some good websites for these people if they need to use them
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Yeah pure MDMA could take less than 24hrs but you would rarely get that and most times the pills would be combination of all sorts of ****e you probably wouldn't be wanting to put in your body.

 

[PJ]

[quote author=Ryan]
Fair enough mate - I wasn't directing traffic your way, I'm just saying I reckon if the players want to get on whatever they get on in the off season - good on em. They say it takes 6 weeks for the traces of gear to leave one's system. That means they have until 1/2 way through December to do it - then it's back to business.

In saying that, wasn't there something about one Mason being seen indulging at one time? That's rumour of coarse, and I don't know either way?

Yeah lets condone drug taking. Its not like its illegal or anything....and hey I can't possibly think of any problems that drugs have ever caused anyone.......
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Yeah I wouldn't go as far as Ryan but in terms of recreaction drugs I'm of the opinion it should be peoples own choice.
While I won't condone drug taking I can think of plenty of legal drugs that cause far worse problems....but that's alright becasue the government can tax them!

 

[earl]

[quote author=Fluffy]
[quote author=PJ]
[quote author=Ryan]
Fair enough mate - I wasn't directing traffic your way, I'm just saying I reckon if the players want to get on whatever they get on in the off season - good on em. They say it takes 6 weeks for the traces of gear to leave one's system. That means they have until 1/2 way through December to do it - then it's back to business.

In saying that, wasn't there something about one Mason being seen indulging at one time? That's rumour of coarse, and I don't know either way?

try less than 24hours for pills
but yeah - as long as it's not performance enhancing good luck to them

[/quote]

Depends what pills and what test

MDMA is around 4 days in urine

Most drugs will show up in a hair sample

There are some good websites for these people if they need to use them
[/quote]

Yeah pure MDMA could take less than 24hrs but you would rarely get that and most times the pills would be combination of all sorts of ****e you probably wouldn't be wanting to put in your body.

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Damn straight pj,
The govt released the pill to make you stop smoking. My mum took 1 , half hour later she was in hospital in a type of coma for a day or two. nearly killed her , but we can still og to a chemist and get it even to this day.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Ryan]
Fair enough mate - I wasn't directing traffic your way, I'm just saying I reckon if the players want to get on whatever they get on in the off season - good on em. They say it takes 6 weeks for the traces of gear to leave one's system. That means they have until 1/2 way through December to do it - then it's back to business.

In saying that, wasn't there something about one Mason being seen indulging at one time? That's rumour of coarse, and I don't know either way?

Yeah lets condone drug taking. Its not like its illegal or anything....and hey I can't possibly think of any problems that drugs have ever caused anyone.......
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Gronk - I'm not really condoning drugs - but more condoning freedom of choice. It pisses me off that someone thinks they can tell you what's good for you. Maybe taking a pill might be bad for you, but at the same time, it might make one relax, unwind, and let themselves go and be a bit crazy once and a while. If it doesn't affect those around them, then so what I reckon.

 

[ManlyBacker]

Sort of agree Ryan, but the conditions of their employment state that they won't/can't take them and that is that. It happens in other jobs where it is critical that operators are not drug influenced, such as pilots. I am with the NRL and ARL in that they are highly paid, like-it-or-not role models and ambassadors for huge amounts of sponsorship dollars.

If they prefer recreational drugs to being media stars then they should take a job as a storeman and packer (for example).

 

[PJ]

Sort of agree Ryan, but the conditions of their employment state that they won't/can't take them and that is that. It happens in other jobs where it is critical that operators are not drug influenced, such as pilots. I am with the NRL and ARL in that they are highly paid, like-it-or-not role models and ambassadors for huge amounts of sponsorship dollars.

If they prefer recreational drugs to being media stars then they should take a job as a storeman and packer (for example).

agreed

 

[Fluffy]

It happens in many careers MB - all defence personnel for one, thats over 100,000 that arnt paid any where near as well as league players to not do it.

 

[PJ]

It happens in many careers MB - all defence personnel for one, thats over 100,000 that arnt paid any where near as well as league players to not do it.

yep Fluffy you said it...and you would've probably seen it with your own two eyes....alot of recreactional drug use in the defence forces and I would go so far as to say even more so than in other occupations.

 

[Fluffy]

This is not true PJ - there was a bit of drug use in the early 90's but far below the average considersing 80% are aged between 17 and 30 in the defence force. Now days it is extremely low (1% or less), we were tested randomly earlier in the year and out of 200 that got 1 positive for pot, from what i hear that is consistant across the board in infantry at least. It is very suprising but the culture is anti drug and even the alcohol consumption is reducing these days.

 

[PJ]

This is not true PJ - there was a bit of drug use in the early 90's but far below the average considersing 80% are aged between 17 and 30 in the defence force. Now days it is extremely low (1% or less), we were tested randomly earlier in the year and out of 200 that got 1 positive for pot, from what i hear that is consistant across the board in infantry at least. It is very suprising but the culture is anti drug and even the alcohol consumption is reducing these days.

I'll take your word for it but I have heard some interesting stories from people in both the army and the navy to the contrary

 

[Fluffy]

were they 5+ years old?

but if you are to think about a cross section of 17 - 30 year olds in normal society getting randomly tested you would expect a much higher percentage to test positive. Difference is it makes the media more often than not.

 

[PJ]

yeah they were plus 5 years old and were full of stories about alot of stuff being smuggled back through ships etc. and how lax the testing was if you knew the right people. BUT having said all that I do take your word for it that it isn't that significant a percentage as this info is from about three years ago...

 

[Jatz Crackers]

I'll take your word for it but I have heard some interesting stories from people in both the army and the navy to the contrary

Have you heard about Navy sailors and frozen chickens PJ ? Twisted mob !

 

[PJ]

to be honest most people I know that have gone into the navy or army have gone in screwed up and come out even more screwed up...

 

[Fluffy]

like me

Yeah random drug tests have only become truly random in the last 5 years or so - its now part of the medics course, before it was specialised so there were only a few people quilified to carry it out

 

[PJ]

like me
Yeah random drug tests have only become truly random in the last 5 years or so - its now part of the medics course, before it was specialised so there were only a few people quilified to carry it out

I think you're pretty safe Fluffy and I can see the sense in doing what you do (I'm guessing it's the army reserve)
It's some of the full time ones that are a bit of a worry especially the GI JOEs (you all know the type - there is one in most year groups always planning for the next invasion)

 

[Fluffy]

Difference is they stay an OR in the army - we dont make them president.......

 

[earl]

[quote author=Fluffy]
like me
Yeah random drug tests have only become truly random in the last 5 years or so - its now part of the medics course, before it was specialised so there were only a few people quilified to carry it out

I think you're pretty safe Fluffy and I can see the sense in doing what you do (I'm guessing it's the army reserve)
It's some of the full time ones that are a bit of a worry especially the GI JOEs (you all know the type - there is one in most year groups always planning for the next invasion)

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I know a guy from the Commando division and he told stories of being in East Timor. Nothing about drugs , but plenty about the violence and **** you never hear on the news. It takes a special nutcase to be able to do what alot of them do.
Im quite proud that out of all the forces in the world , they like ours to go in first cause we are the best , of the best , of the rest.