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Are Manly supporter’s greedy little pigs? Player value list

Discussion in 'Rugby League Forum' started by byso, Mar 13, 2012.

  1. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

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    Ok let’s look at this logically, yes we could want the club to keep our fantastic squad together and we are dead set lucky that players like Foran, DCE, T-rex & Gift have exceeded expectations.

    It’s clear we can’t keep all these superstars under the cap and also we are probably lucky there is a cap because if we payed them all what it’s worth Manly would go broke.

    So let’s enjoy the positives, we’ve played in 3 GF’s in 5 years and won 2 and we have the opportunity to watch this team have a red hot go at back 2 back. For a club that is struggling financially we are truly blessed.

    Teams like Bulldogs, Storm, Broncos & Dragons with seemingly unlimited funds could only dream of our success.

    We need to make sure we keep up junior player developement. As 5 years time what will Manly be able to have?

    Let’s have a look at our player line up and consider what these players are worth to "other clubs" and let’s see if we can keep them.
    Feel free to carve up my list I could be way off.

    1. Brett Stewart $400k
    2. Michael Oldfield $120k
    3. Jamie Lyon © $400k
    4. Steve Matai $300k
    5. David Williams $300k
    6. Kieran Foran $500k
    7. Daly Cherry-Evans $500k
    8. Jason King © $300k
    9. Matt Ballin $350k
    10. Brent Kite $300k
    11. Anthony Watmough $400k
    12. Tony Williams $400k
    13. Glen Stewart $400k


    Interchange:
    14. Jamie Buhrer $250k
    15. Vic Mauro $150k
    16. Darcy Lussick $200k
    17. Tim Robinson $100k
    18. Daniel Harrison $100k
    19. George Rose $120k
    Other 20-25 (total $350k)

    Total value over 25 players $5,940,000
    That’s about $940k over next years proposed cap and a 1.5 million over this years cap
     
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  2. ERNIE FOR NO7

    ERNIE FOR NO7 Active Member

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    It is way more than that over. more like $1.5m - the cap of $5m has to include match payments $2000 per game for 17 players plus incentive bonuses.

    Buhrer would only be worth $150k
    D. Williams $180k
    V. Mauro $100k
    M.Ballin $200k
    A.Watmough $350k
     
  3. Biscuits

    Biscuits Active Member

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    i think a few have been overvalued. I couldnt see clubs parting with more than
    whare 70
    wolfie 180
    king 250
    ballin 250
    kite 250
    buhrer 170
    and the 20-25 300k

    and yove probably undervalued lussick. prob closer to 250

    that gets yo down to about 5.3m. And that is what it would cost to get them to leave. They would all take a bit less to stay i would imagine. Your breakdown has given me great hope that we arent in as dire a situation as many would like to predict. We could get out of this only losing 1 star.[hr]
    i just realised youve left out matai. Theres another 250-300k.
     
  4. Clay

    Clay Well-Known Member

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    Dont forget Matai
     
  5. Berkeley_Eagle

    Berkeley_Eagle Current Status: 24/7 Manly Fan 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Back end contracts is the way all clubs get around it as we all know
     
  6. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

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    I added Matai

    Problem with back end contracts we get stuck like we are now with DCE wanting extra. But there is no way of avoiding them.
     
  7. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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  8. the mauler

    the mauler Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    We are all well aware that we can't keep them all,and 2 or 3 stars will be squeezed out. But the halves must be kept at all costs. If one or both go we wont recover. If others leave wel still be a force with the Foz and DCE calling the shots.
     
  9. COMMANDER

    COMMANDER IF YOU DO NOT TRY YOU CAN NOT FAIL 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Remove B Stewart, B Kite, G Rose and Joe G and we won't have any problems.

    Hard I know, but something akin to this will have to happen. The only trick would be keeping G Stewart if Brett goes.
     
  10. wombatgc

    wombatgc Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    And Lyon, has to stay until he retires. Other than those three I think we've got enough talent coming through to cover all other positions.
     
  11. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    What is the minimum payment for them now, I know it used to be $55,000


    1. Brett Stewart $400k - About right
    2. Michael Oldfield $120k - Way over, should be on 100k or less
    3. Jamie Lyon © $400k - Worth every cent
    4. Dean Whare $100k - over should be on minimum + match payments
    5. David Williams $300k - no way, i would say closed to 250k at the most, he wont get a good contract elsewhere because of injuries
    6. Kieran Foran $500k - fair price I say
    7. Daly Cherry-Evans $500k fair price for this guy too
    8. Jason King © $300k -> over paid for the job he does
    9. Matt Ballin $350k -> my favourite player, pay him more :)
    10. Brent Kite $300k -> thats about right
    11. Anthony Watmough $400k -> fair price
    12. Tony Williams $400k -> 350k I think
    13. Glen Stewart $400k -> fair price, one of the best in the game


    Interchange:
    14. Jamie Buhrer $150k -> id say possibly less that this
    15. Vic Mauro $150k - More realistic, but I would say more worth the 130k mark
    16. Darcy Lussick $180k - He has played all of 9 games or something, and hasn't done anything to tell me he is worth $200k yet. If he wants more sign elsewhere
    17. Tim Robinson $100k - Fair
    18. Daniel Harrison $100k - I would have him on just over minimum
    19. George Rose $120k -> just put him on maccas vouchers
    Other 20-25 (total $350k)
     
  12. Fluffy

    Fluffy Well-Known Member

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    oldie would be on min wage this year as would all the non regulars/juniors coming through lussick, buhrer, harrison, robinson, mauro, whare etc
     
  13. Utility Player

    Utility Player Well-Known Member

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    The best way to use back ended contracts is how we did with Rodney. He was on a small contract for 3 years but would have been on a much bigger one in his 4th year when we found him a Super League gig and solved the problem.

    This could work with Snake as well 2 to 3 years at Manly and a swansong in England, we could even tip in some of the SL contract dough to sweeten the deal.
     
  14. Clint

    Clint . Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    "Are Manly supporter’s greedy little pigs?"

    Probably. But I'm a big fan of having my cake and eating it too.
     
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  15. Dan

    Dan Administrator Staff Member Administrator 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Bhurer signed a new upgraded contract didn't he?

    I think we are looking to upgrade DCE's cotnract and then get a new one at the end of next year
     
  16. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Simple solution is for the salary cap to be $8m and then all the other clubs can watch us do the victory lap each October.

    Kite is going to the Uk at the end of this year from what i have heard and rose, Joe, Robinson and d Williams can join him as well so as to free up space.
     
  17. bob dylan

    bob dylan Well-Known Member Premium Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    Just off the phone from Brian Waldrons he has helped me out with what he reckons some of these guys are worth.

    Jamie Lyon = $500k (nrl contract shows $250k) + boat + bag of cash
    Glenn Stewart = $500k (nrl contract shows $250k)+ harvey norman vouchers
    Brett Stewart = $500 (nrl contract shows $250k)+ bag of cash
    Anthony Watmough = $450k (nrl contract shows $250k)+ bag of cash


    edit: Brian wouldnt give me a price on DCE, Foran or Lussick as he has been out of the game for a while and didnt know much about them. He thought their mums might like a nice car though.
     
  18. tookey

    tookey Well-Known Member 2016 Tipping Competitor

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    That was yesterday George
     
  19. byso

    byso Well-Known Member

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    The club couldn't afford $8million.

     
  20. 1947

    1947 Active Member

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    Agree - Lyon is $450,000
     

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